Q&A Interview with FRINGE Executive Producers Jeff Pinkner & J.H. Wyman
Mike Vicic - May 4, 2012
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TV Tango recently participated in a conference call with FRINGE executive producers Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman. Pinkner and Wyman discussed having FRINGE picked up for a 13-episode fifth season, revealed a few hints about what to expect, and reminded all fans that nobody is really ever dead on the show.
Tonight, Friday, May 4, 2012 at 9pm ET/PT, FOX presents the first episode of the two-part season finale of FRINGE. Plus, Wyman will be live-tweeting during tonight's episode.
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Question: Are you going to have to bring back Leonard Nimoy as William Bell? Jeff Pinkner: We basically erected a sign outside of Leonard’s house which said, “Please come back to FRINGE,” and we are hoping that by season five he says yes. Question: You’re not writing yourselves into a corner if you need the character? J.H. Wyman: No, because I think that once you realize the extent of everything, that will probably all become clear why we’re not. I know it’s hard to say. We don’t want to spoil too much. |
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Question: John Noble spoke of shooting an alternate ending in case you didn’t get the season five pickup. Is that something people might get to see on the DVD release for season four? J.H. Wyman: No, we did not shoot an alternate ending. We did not. We thought about it, but we did not. |
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Question: Are we done with the Redverse? What is Seth Gabel’s position on the show if we don’t see the Redverse again? Jeff Pinkner: As always, we sort of have a no spoilers policy because we’re just of the mind that the entertainment value of watching the stories unfold is diminished if you already know what’s coming. We love all those characters from the Redverse. The door is closed because of the problems that David Robert Jones is causing, so if our team can somehow dispense with Jones, there’s absolutely a possibility of that door being opened again. We can’t definitively say anything.
Seth is spectacular and awesome and has been such a phenomenal addition to the cast, but as far as his standing going forward, to say anything about that would also be to reveal things that are coming ahead. |
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J.H. Wyman: Like we’ve always said, nobody’s ever really dead on FRINGE. Question: What about the year 2036? Do you think we’ll be seeing any more of that either this season or in season five? J.H. Wyman: Yes, I think it’s safe to say you will. |
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Question: Do you know how these final 13 episodes will play out? J.H. Wyman: Going down the road the way that traditionally do, we finish the chapter, close it, and then start a new one. We definitely know. When we’re thinking about the end of the season, we’re always thinking about the beginning of the next one and where that’s going to take us and what kind of doors it can open. That’s basically how it’s been since the get-go, and it’s no different this year. We definitely know where the series is going to end and how it’s going to end and what we’re saying with the final season. |
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It’s a perfect amount of time to be done right and to be doled out in the right pace. We feel really confident that we can have a satisfying ending for us but also, of course, for our fans and supporters within the timeframe of 13 episodes. I think that’s really what we were hoping for. FOX is so great to deliver, and continues to demonstrate their incredible support. |
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Question: Is it possible that David Robert Jones is not the penultimate bad guy here, that there’s someone higher on the baddie food chain? J.H. Wyman: That’s interesting. No bad guy really thinks that they’re a bad guy. Jones is a pretty good bad guy. Jeff Pinkner: Is there another bad guy who is pulling his strings or above him? I think we’d be wrong to say anything other than David Robert Jones is just pretty compelling and he’s a pretty — nefarious is probably too loaded of a word — suitable opponent for our team. It’s taken all of them to deal with him. J.H. Wyman: The ground will shift a little bit and you’ll understand him a little bit deeper.
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Question: Any plans for Jeff to direct an episode in season five? Jeff Pinkner: There are always plans afoot, and yes, thank you for that, that’s awesome. I think it’s a little early for us to worry about that right now. Can we just point out what a good job Joel did? |
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Jeff Pinkner: Thank you. No, but Joel did a spectacular job and I think we’d be well served if Joel directed all 13 episodes in season five. We’ve been really, really fortunate in we’ve identified directors who have brought so much to the show. When we sit in the editing room, we’re so excited by the material we get back from everyone from Brad Anderson to Charles Ethan. We have the most talented stable of directors. Of course, Joe Chappelle, who directed "Letters of Transit," and both parts of the season finale and under extreme duress. We were sort of feeding him pages as he was shooting them. They’re amazing. |
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Question: How instrumental for the season five pickup was it for the fans getting on social media and talking about the show? J.H. Wyman: Massive. It was massive. This is actually a really cool time, I think, in television history, or it will be considered a cool time, where social networks are informing the big networks -- people are talking, people are doing things, people are moving. They go into action for their show, which is great. Before, it used to be like, “Well, we’re going to send a whole bunch of letters,” which is okay, but it’s not this. What this is, what’s going on now, is really empowering for the fans because they feel that they have a platform and a forum to really express to people who may or may not be listening, but the chances are that they are, to express their deep gratitude and love of the show, their support. |
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Our fans are so incredible that they were calling the sponsors saying, “Hey, I don’t watch it live because I have a job, but you know what? Here’s the thing. I love the show and watch it on DVR. I’m going to buy your product. You must have good taste because you guys are supporting FRINGE.”
It was huge for us. I mean, it was a whole movement. Honestly, there’s not a moment where I don’t think how lucky we are to have such incredible fans. Jeff Pinkner: I think it is absolutely fair to say that without the support of the fans and social media there would be no season five. J.H. Wyman: Right. |
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Question: What can you tell us at this point about how "Letters of Transit" relates to next season? Jeff Pinkner: We can tell you nothing. J.H. Wyman: It’s hard because part of our storytelling has always been revealing and recontextualizing what you think you know and what you’ve seen, and putting it into a different mindframe for the viewer. Let’s just say that that future is important to our storytelling, but it’s not the be all and end all; there is a reason. |
Somebody asked us a really cool question the other day, "How did we decide to do flashbacks or flash-forwards or whatever?" For us, we can honestly say there’s always a reason. There’s always a reason to do it. We’re going to go into the past because we have to put you in that headspace so you can understand this and figure out where the character is coming from, or has been, in order for you to get the full experience of what you’re watching today in the present.
That’s how we feel about the "Letters of Transit." It was for a reason. Nineteen is traditionally the one that we go off the beaten path, and that was no different. It was definitely off the beaten path. Does it have further implications? It does. You’re going to definitely need to understand what "Letters of Transit" is, or was, in order to fully grasp all … things we like to tell this year. |
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Question: Where were you when you found out about the season five pickup? J.H. Wyman: I was actually getting a guitar fixed. I got a call and it was all these very happy voices. It was such an incredible call because it just came out of nowhere. It was really music to my ears. It was like we were hoping for the best, but we really did not know anything. A lot of people were speculating that we did know, or that it was a done deal, and a lot of people said it was all business, which really isn’t the case, either.
So we just sort of took a couple days off, literally, right, Jeff? It was a couple days. |
Jeff Pinker: By the way, did you guys hear how Joel, the writer, did that? He said he was dropping off his guitar to get fixed and that it was music to his ears. J.H. Wyman: Only you would notice that. Jeff Pinker: Of course.
I had just dropped my kids off at school. I was walking back to my car and we got a phone call. We were asked to hold for both the studio and the network, which you instantly realize that they’re not all calling to deliver bad news; they’re calling to deliver good news. Graciously, they told us, the two of us simultaneously as well as telling Bad Robot. We were all overjoyed and then they said, “Please don’t tell anybody because we have a plan to announce this to the world.” Joel said, “Well, we have a dedicated, loyal Twitter following.” They said, “Okay, give us a second and then we’ll tell you when you can tell everybody.” Then the day went on a lot before everybody got their act together. We had this really awesome secret for a little while, It was four hours, I think. J.H. Wyman: You have to let everybody do their job. They had some great ideas to how they would like to release the information and we wanted to be supportive of that while at the same time, like Jeff had mentioned, being loyal to our fans and being the first to Twitter it, which was the case. The Twitter guys got it first.
So, it was just a matter of everybody sort of coordinating and saying, “Let’s figure out the best way to give everybody this good news.” Like Jeff said, it was very happy. It was like you had a secret, like I want to tell everybody but I can’t. |
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Question: Did the person making that trailer for season five know before you guys did? J.H. Wyman: No, I think the way it worked is that people plan for success and failure. That’s just the prudent thing to do. I think that everybody was feeling really good about it. Like I said, and I’ve said it a million times, these guys in the building at FOX and at Warner Brothers are so supportive of the program and every step of the way they have done exactly what they are going to say. I know that’s probably an anomaly because business changes. Sometimes shows get bad ratings and then they stay on, and sometimes they get okay ratings and then they’re cancelled. Then two years later a show that has worse ratings than that show stays on the air. It’s a very strange, non-specific. I don’t even know the rules. Do you, Jeff? I don’t know. |
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Jeff Pinkner: No, but to answer your question specifically, you buy an engagement ring hoping she says yes, you know? So the trailer was made in hopes, as Joel said. The internal support at FOX is astronomical. As they said to us, the support outweighs any expectation. For a show that quite frankly performs like we do, usually people at the network are all running away from it; whereas with us, everyone recognizes -- to toot our own horn for one second -- the merit and the value on what we’re doing. They really love the storytelling and have been insanely supportive from the top down from the beginning.
I think that they made this trailer in hopes of a pickup, but of course the people charged with doing that kind of work are nowhere near the decision makers. The decision makers made the decision and informed us. Part of that time going by was getting the trailer ready to go online, etc. |
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Question: Has there been talk about creating alternate media ways to keep the mythology going after the show finishes? Jeff Pinkner: We thought about a traveling FRINGE baseball game that will travel around the country. There’ll be a red team and a blue team and it’ll be populated by identical twins, but it’s a little tough to get off the ground. J.H. Wyman: Personally, I was responsible [for that talk] -- and maybe not in the best way because I was at WonderCon or ComicCon. I said if there was no pickup we’re definitely going to try to finish off the stories by hook or by crook It’d have to be comic books that will actually try to give some closure to the fans.
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We meant it at the time. I think now that we have the 13, that’s not a far-out idea. I love comics, and Jeff does, too. I think if there was a significant story where we were like, “You know what? I think people really want to know more about this aspect of the show that really wasn’t maybe covered 100% and they’re really interested,” then yes, that would be something that we would consider, I’m sure.
Jeff Pinkner: There’s a FRINGE comic book that will continue. Josh wrote an awesome arc in the book this season and if we’re fortunate enough, if DC will continue to partner with us, that will continue to come out. There are still stories to tell that are outside the universe of the TV show. But I don’t know that we have plans to, my baseball joke aside -- please nobody take that seriously, unless you can make it happen, in which case definitely take it seriously -- from things that are already in the works, some of which are still kind of secret, some which you may know about. I think largely, as Joel said, the TV show will tell the story. |
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Question: Was 13 episodes for season five just enough to get where you want to go? J.H. Wyman: Yes. We’re always hoping for the best, and you have to plan for the worst. A lot of the greatest things that people have loved about the program have come from ideas that we had that sort of snowballed and became something else and forced us to look at something else in a different way and realize, “Hey, that’s a really cool story stream.” |
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That said and knowing that happens, when you’re telling 13, I’m sure there will be, and there are, things that we’ve discovered where we say, “That could be really cool if we had 22. We could really take advantage of that." But the truth is that we could only operate on what we have. We were hoping at the minimum we would get 13 so we could tell our story and have ways to do that. If it was 22 episodew, we would have found ways to do that, too. I think that FRINGE has come such a long way. We were just more concerned that we would have the ability to not have a couple of episodes to wrap something up but really an arc, like a real final season event. |
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Question: How did you approach writing season four, knowing that you might not get a fifth season? J.H. Wyman: This is the analogy that I think that suits us the best. Imagine you’re on an airplane and you start to read a great novel, something that you’re really enjoying. You get through it and then there’s a whole other layover and you get to read four more chapters. You sort of get to the end of a chapter where there’s going to be a new beginning and you realize okay, now it’s time to get off the plane and you need to go about your business.
You’re stuck with that last chapter and you feel like okay, that was very satisfying, although I can understand that there’s another book. If I can get my hands on that other book in the next 15 minutes, I swear I would read it. But I’ve just finished this version and while it’s complete, I still have a longing to understand the characters in a deeper fashion and to imagine where they’re going to go after this logical conclusion after I just read. |
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So that’s kind of how we look at the end of every season. ’s why we sort of felt like the inadvertent design of FRINGE and how it became that ended up being a blessing. You’re sort of protected because you’re closing one chapter and then beginning another.
You’ll see in the finale it’s like okay, I can understand how the show can end, but I’m interested in going further. That’s sort of how we approach it. It’s like look, we close every single season with a chapter. When Peter disappeared, that could have been an ending. I mean, it would have been, “Whoa, wait—what is that? What happened?” but it would have been an ending of sorts. Like okay, Peter had to sacrifice himself in order to save his family. Okay, I’m not happy about that but I understand it. Then you can imagine one day that they would meet again or something like that.
So we just finished the conclusion. We finished the season conclusion in a manner that we feel is authentic and real for that season and then we use that as a push-off point to go and tell another aspect of the story that we hope the people will be interested in. |
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