Q & A with Barry and Dustin of Ghost Hunters International
Casper - January 27, 2010
Earlier this month, TV Tango took part in a phone conference with Barry FitzGerald and Dustin Pari of Ghost Hunters International (GHI). Want to find out what spooks them? Read about their funniest moments?
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Barry FitzGerald: My biggest nemesis has to be mannequins. And I have to say that those truly frighten the living hell plain out of me. And because I'm there to do a job, I'm there to look for ghosts and all of a sudden this dummy should be leaning against somewhere maybe where it shouldn't have been before. And it’s truly - it’s absolutely frightening the hell out of me. I have to say that in Argentina in the case that's coming up that they had images of - it was the death images that was taken back in the Victorian times where people would have been propped up and different things around them. And a photograph would have been taken. So I was in a dark room obviously with my own camera taking photographs of these photographs because I'd never actually seen them before. And the only thing I had to focus - or the only thing I - light-wise I had was the autofocus on the camera. So as you can imagine as I turned around and there was this small dummy of a child leaning against the wall. Well I have to tell you this, I screamed louder than (Brandy Green) ever could. And I think all of them nearly split their stomachs laughing at me. But I hate those things, I really do.
Question: Barry, how hard or easy is it to spook you?
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Dustin Pari: No, I mean it doesn't factor in that we do anything different as far as putting all our effort into it. But anytime that a location has a somewhat specific -- especially somebody of notoriety -- then we are going to make that effort to contact them. And the benefit of course being someone of notoriety is that we can try to use names that they may have been familiar with. We can try to look up a little history on that person so that when we direct our EDP questioning. We can try to get into their mindset a little bit. I think it's our shared viewpoint that it's very important to try to use -- to the best of your ability -- questions that are more likely to elicit a response rather than just throwing out stock questions, like what is your name, how long have you been here. We want to try to make an emotional connection that may make them come forward and respond to us.
Question: Dustin, when you guys investigate a location that is known to have hosted famous people do you try to contact that person or does that even factor into the investigation?
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Barry FitzGerald: We are going to be bringing new equipment along. It's going to be some revolutionary new video equipment. And we start filming, I believe, later this year. That new technology is going to come along because it takes the full spectrum technology much further. I don't want - am I allowed to say it - too much about it now...or do I wait until the new shows air. I would assume I'll wait until those shows air but it is - it's fantastic. It's a fantastic new camera system that truly brings us 10 years ahead of current technology.
Question: Barry, since you are the technical manager is there any new equipment out there that you guys haven't employed yet that you want to get a hold of?
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Barry FitzGerald: I think from my perspective I have to say that a lot of people who get involved in this field do have experiences as children. And certainly I was no exception. And growing up in a property back in Ireland, it presented a phenomenon to my parents. And they, of course not wanting to frighten the children, said nothing about it. Dustin Pari: It's hard to follow up such a tale. The Irishman really knows how to relay his experiences. I had a similar experience though. When I was about 8 or 9, I was living in a house in Providence, Rhode Island with my family. And I was awoken during the night and I had seen a shadow figure that was standing in the doorway of my bedroom.
Question: Have you had paranormal experiences growing up in your childhood that sort of lent you to do this. And if you had -- without revealing too many details -- could you tell us a little bit about them?
And that was my first time of seeing an apparition as it climbed the stairs. It was only years later that I confessed to my parents to seeing this. There were other things that happened on the property as well which would still plague my dreams. And the house is now ripped up - that remains.
I'm aware that the last family to stay there only lasted a month. And...that was very intense. And that intensity still plagues my nightmares.
And there was my bedroom, then there was a hallway, and the kitchen light was on so this thing was backlit. But it was just one of these very shadow figures that I've actually encountered a couple of times since doing my investigations.
But they're very elusive. They seem to move very quickly. And it's very interesting, the phenomenon and really still trying to get answers on that. But that was the first thing that really got me interested in going out and looking for these answers.
And since then it's kind of taken on a much larger picture and almost like a spiritual quest if you will to get more confirmation about, you know, what happens to the spirit after we pass on from this life.
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Dustin Pari: Well some of them we'll have to censor I think at the end of the show. Certainly I know in a recent episode everyone gets to see how I reacted to a flock of pigeons as they came flying out of the rooftop in Argentina. I've been plagued by pigeons and bats. Barry FitzGerald: Probably from my own perspective staying at the same location they had dummies of people around the location. And there was a small dummy of a child which was propped up against a wall in the dark. And of course I happened to see that and those are my biggest nemesis.
Question: What have been your funniest experience or experiences at locations?
I'm not a big fan of things just randomly popping out in the darkness. I can take a spirit starting to show itself but if something is flying at me I get pretty startled and I often fall down on things or knock people over. It gets a little crazy.
And seeing that I literally did scream louder than (Brandy Green).
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Barry FitzGerald: There is - Dustin and I wrote about it in our last book, The Complete Approach, because this has happened many, many times. It's quite a frequent thing that will happen to children. And the biological reason simply is because there's a filter that thickens over the eye. And that's one of the reasons why the cameras - the full spectrum camera was developed to open up that spectrum again so that we could start to see what was being reported by mediums and psychics and our children of course.
Question: Why do you think that younger people are so much more in tune to seeing things?
And as we become - as we change from children into young adults between the ages of 7-13 that filter thickens up totally and develops completely. And that we no longer can see into the light spectrum. So as adults we can no longer see what our children see.
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Dustin Pari: No I think there's a lot of places for us to keep on going. I think the mystery part of it, obviously how it related to the conspiracy theories of Hitler's escape and, you know, radical plastic surgery and such. But from a paranormal standpoint, you know, it was a fantastic case. It provided us with some incredible activity. But there's still a lot out there to be discovered and a lot of locations that I know we want to travel. You know, for me personally I'd like to get over to Greece at some point just as - Greece has great history and they have a lot of talking spirit and spiritual activity and a lot of things that they used to do out in the islands and stuff that is very intriguing to me and still a place that I would like to get to at some point. Dustin Pari: For me the spirit world so far has been pretty pleasant but the like Barry said there are certain things that we become aware of and we become more in tune with that you definitely need to be on your guard about. And it's important to always be in the right place, you know, mentally and physically as well as spiritually when you're working in this field.
Question: Hotel Vienna had more mystery to it than any other location. Now is there any other place that would be even more of an ultimate location for either one of you or was this basically it? And if it was pretty much the be-all end-all where do you go from here?
But on a personal note I've always been a bit of a thrill seeker, you know, long before I made my debut on the Ghost Hunters television show, you know, I was in this field. It was something that intrigued me and it was also an adrenaline rush. But I was also somebody else that would do like demolition derbies and sky diving and I used to do all that kind of stuff for fun as well.
But there's still some things that kind of frighten me. I have to say as of recently the biggest one would be probably flying back and forth across the world so many times just because of the state of things in the world and the problems that you have with planes. And you almost feel like you're, you know, kind of playing the lottery every time you're up there, you never know what's going to go on.
And we've been on a flight or two that's had, you know, mechanical problems and things like that so it gets to be a little bit nerve wracking at points.
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Barry FitzGerald: There are occasions that you do become I suppose attune to it and you become used to it. And many times we will arrive on location and you get that all's better sense that there's something very unusual going on and sometimes you don't. And certainly Europe has got quite a handful. And I was just doing some research today on one of them in London. And that bugger, he put a person out through the window onto the iron railing and snapped their neck. And so it's extremely dangerous. So it's those types that you need to be careful about.
Question: Are you kind of fearless in real life situations like going into a dark basement or there's a power outage?
And I know for, you know, if the lights go out in the basement I go down there and I do what needs to be done and come back up again and I'm okay. However put me into a situation where after 18 years of research I start to know when something is around that's whenever I become cautious because there are many different types out there.
For the most mundane spirits they're okay, you know, you can pass them off. But from time to time you do come across one that you do have to be wary of and for good reason.
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Question: I'm actually really curious about how you approach child hauntings and if you approach them differently. Dustin Pari: It's funny that you would ask that because it actually relates to the case that's going to be shown this week on GHI. Also we were, you know, we were also in Argentina at a hotel called Eden Park Hotel I think was the proper name of it. So, you know, Barry and I always try to put it forward to really make contact if we can. But one of the things that we do technique-wise to try to better make that connection is a simple thing, actually. It's just kind of lowering our stance while we're in there, you know, when we sit down to our (EDP) work instead of walking around the place we'll sit down on the floor just like when you deal with a child in this life. Barry FitzGerald: Dustin is absolutely right and it's about the stance, it's about understanding, and it's almost like psychiatry, the spirit of psychiatry and trying to get inside the head of that spirit.
And one of the stories was of this young child who had passed away on the property. And one of the things that, you know, always kind of plays at the heartstrings anytime you hear of a child passing over, you know, just because life is precious obviously when you're young and innocent you hate to see anybody's life cut so short.
If they don't know you, a stranger, the mere height can be intimidating to them. So you kind of bring yourself down to their level in a way to try to ease that fear and try to coax them to come forward and to communicate with you.
And for more on that Mr. Barry FitzGerald.
And of course there is another side to this as well about some of the negatives ones as well, (unintelligible) opening your defenses and the moment you do that that's when you get (whacked). And so you have to be sure that, you know, you have to make sure that you are truly dealing with (unintelligible) and that's a big problem.
But for the most part Dustin and I have done well. And once we figure that, yeah, today's (unintelligible) then we try and understand and sit down with them and get some information.
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Question: What is the biggest difference between working in the States with Cops and then working overseas with GHI? Dustin Pari: Well it's quite obvious I think, I get to work with the lovely and talented son of Ireland Mr. Barry FitzGerald... Barry FitzGerald: That is worth at least $20. Dustin Pari: Yeah, exactly. You know what, do me a favor, pay me in euro when I see you. No the differences obviously are, you know, outside of missing home when I'm on the road it's a fantastic opportunity to really kind of immerse myself in different societies and really soak up the history of some of the locations we get to explore.
You know, and it's almost funny when I'm home from the road for a couple of weeks it seems odd not to be in a castle, you know, doing GHI we're in a castle like every couple of weeks. So it's kind of strange, you know. But it's a beautiful look at different cultures and it's really made me see things from a much larger perspective.
And, you know, in this life and also approaching, you know, making contact with the spirits who have passed on I've learned a great deal of respect for other cultures and a lot of respect for being home too, it really makes me more appreciative of a lot of the things that we have in such an advanced society.
You know, Barry and I have stayed in some places that are, you know, a good couple of hours away from even a fast food place. And even then, you know, they close at like 6:00 or 7:00 at night. So there's a lot of things that you get kind of accustomed to in the US that you don't get to have when you're on the road.
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Barry FitzGerald: Dustin I think you could even answer that one. Dustin Pari: I was going to say we missed William Shatner?
Barry FitzGerald: Oh you win the gold star. I would have to say working with Bill must be an absolute pleasure I would have to say. And I've always been a fan of his work and certainly the last things he's done there on Boston Legal was tremendous. But certainly I would love to see William Shatner on the show. Dustin Pari: Yeah, I didn't tell him, Barry, how you dress up in your Star Trek uniform sometimes.
Barry FitzGerald: That's a lie. That's a lie. Dustin Pari: I've got a photo somewhere to prove it
Question: Barry, if you could have any guest star on the show to investigate with you guys who would you choose?
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Question: In your opinion what was the most convincing piece of evidence that you ever collected on an investigation? Dustin Pari: The most convincing pieces - I'd have to say that for me one of the best pieces of evidence we ever captured was we were doing a prison in Latvia and there was a voice that came through there - it was a just muddied voice of a woman who spoke in Latvian for about seven or eight seconds. Barry FitzGerald: And certainly one of mine would have to be a photograph that was taken down in Australia which is coming up in the shows. And for the life of me I can't explain this. I have tried and tried and tried with science - using science it simply couldn't have happened. And yet it did. And I'm perplexed by the entire episode. And - but that's coming up so you'll get to see that as well.
And it was captured on all the pieces of equipment that we had in the room as well as our production equipment. And to me that was the most impressive pieces that had come down the pike. And it was very emotional. There was something in her tone that was very touching. And to this day it's one of my favorite experiences.
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